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it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you raise the rates by a couple points, it's not going to drive everybody crazy. i think what we have to do is get the government out of this industrial policy where every time we turn around, they want something done. they pass a tax law. they get people to invest in it. then they turn around and blame you for taking advantage of the tax law. they call it incentives. then they call it loopholes. i think we have to get the government out of that part of the business. that tax code has to be changed. >> you've got to pay your fair share. >> everybody should pay their fair share. >> allstat
it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you...
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revenues this year and next year, when taxes go up, everyone will say, see, the tax hikes didn't work, we actually collected less revenue. and so the danger is we build program of this year's revenue, forecast base on this year's tax revenue and fall short next year. it could impact spending this money is not out there not generating jobs, not buying things or, you know, building things. >> got leave it there great stuff as always. thanks very much. >>> coming up next, flu fears starting early this year. why this flu season could be the worst in years. >>> and later on, iran stays shot down an american drone. the navy says no you didn't. either way, our own phil lebeau has firsthand experience with a small drone playing a big role in this latest skirmish. icans be in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 1
revenues this year and next year, when taxes go up, everyone will say, see, the tax hikes didn't work, we actually collected less revenue. and so the danger is we build program of this year's revenue, forecast base on this year's tax revenue and fall short next year. it could impact spending this money is not out there not generating jobs, not buying things or, you know, building things. >> got leave it there great stuff as always. thanks very much. >>> coming up next, flu fears...
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the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains. >> that's right. people start taking gains and hold on to what they have. that means capital is not put to work. in the early 1990s the economy was starting to get a real head of steam. not enough to save george h.w. bush but that slowed in '93 and '94. when republicans came in, cut spending, killed hilary care and alan greenspan had a sensible monetary policy, the economy started to recover and then clinton got the religion, he cut capital gains. >> steve is giving your man all these kudos and you're not taking them. >> two things first, larry, didn't president reagan raise the capital gains tax ra
the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains....
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cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle moving dividend payable dates to this year after oracle announced it will accelerate its fiscal '13 dividend payments into this month. the payout for larry ellison will exceed 1$198 million. when you consider potential tax rates difference, that's serious money. >> real money there where you go up as high as 41%, yeah. from where we are right now, absolutely. the most tax efficient way to deal with dividends is not to have them at all. and actually run real growth companies that don't return anything to shareholders and power everything back into your bu
cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle...
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from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would say the fiscal cliff is much more important, let's figure out a way to handle it but with the end in sight of simpson/bowles. we all know we need to get there. instead of this obsession with the top 2% and 39.6, wouldn't you be spending is your leadership capital trying to get to a simpson/bowles. >> that's the most loaded question you could have possibly asked. >> am i wrong? >> no, i agree with that, i agree with simpson/bowles. >> no one's listening at the white house so i can say whatever i want. >> when we've asked republican leaders they've not embraced simpson/bow
from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would...
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they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i think the lower volatility is telling you this is an extremely resilient stock market. i've been calling this the rocky balboa stock market. the entire scenario playing out is the fiscal cliff ends up being bullish no matter what. spending cuts makes bonds rise, yields fall and making stocks paradoxically even more attractive. they become the new bonds. >> alan, can you tell from option activity which way the markets are betting right now, presuming that not going over the fiscal cliff would be positive for stocks and going over the cliff would be negative? what's th
they didn't extend the bush tax cuts until december 17th. they didn't handle the payroll tax until december 23rd. i lived inside the beltway. i have a pretty good network on the hill. i think they're going to have some kind of staged in agreement and then agree to attack the entitlement situation in the new year. >> michael, what do you make of what's going on? how do you try and trade this? at least we had some volatility the traders could trade on. now we don't have that. >> i...
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the amt is an arcane tax, unlike payroll tax withholding, won't be visible to those it has ensnared until the end of the year. it could cause the average taxpayer to pay an additional $3,000 when she least expects it. talk about a nightmare. finally i'm worried about the possibility that the new austerity becomes a permanent austerity. simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because they took the grover norquist no new tax pledge. in that scenario, rising above, my pin means absolutely nothing. rise above what? the oath you gave to your voters? to these hardened partisans to rise above means rising above compromise. compromise is bad. right? i mean they think compromise is bad. they want to rise above it. they think it's a higher ground than not compromise. what's amazing to me is that when congress came up with this ridiculous cliff idea, there were legislators who believed that if these draconian changes were to become law, it would be so obvious we would be thrown into rece
the amt is an arcane tax, unlike payroll tax withholding, won't be visible to those it has ensnared until the end of the year. it could cause the average taxpayer to pay an additional $3,000 when she least expects it. talk about a nightmare. finally i'm worried about the possibility that the new austerity becomes a permanent austerity. simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because...
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for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have right now. so, yes, democrats are not as bad off as the republicans, but that doesn't mean they should be waiting either. >> i
for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every...
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the plan would generate $800 billion in into tnew tax revenu leaves the bush era tax cuts in place for everyone. it would cut $1.2 billion in discretionary planning. it raises the eligibility anyone for medicare and changes how cost of living increases can calculated. house officials suggest the two side where is continue to negotiate ways to avoid the year end fiscal cliff. and on that team, the president will meet with a group of u.s. governors. they'll discuss possible solutions to the fiscal cliff and how it will impact their states. the group is also expected to meet with house republicans later in the week. in corporate new, sprint nextel is reportedly out of the market for metro pcs. the company won't make a counteroffer. sprint announced japan and he softbank will buy up to a 70% stake in the company. reports suggest sprint believes going after metro pcs would complicate the regulatory review of the softbank deal. sprint stock in frankfurt up just a third of 1%. and service capital reportedly in talks to join the bid for night capital. it would include silver lake partners and
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tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. unemployment benefits expire for most people and that is not even accounting for the layoffs. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer out there, retail. >> you would expect the whole retail cohort to be in trouble. things will get a whole lot worse. two weeks ago we got retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that it had decelerated to 1.4%. incomes are flat and hurricane sandy shut down the northeast for days and in some cases for weeks. even though we have had positive numbers from companies like home dep depot, the group would be flat lining. yet that hasn't been happening. it is shown by the rth, the market vectovector's retail num. it has been showing very well. that is why tonight we are going off the charts with the help of ed ponzi. my colleague at realmoney.com, we have to learn what the charts are seeing. if you remember, one of the reasons why i went back to ed. he is the guy who nailed it and
tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. unemployment benefits expire for most people and that is not even accounting for the layoffs. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer out there, retail. >> you would expect the whole retail cohort to be in trouble. things will get a whole lot worse. two weeks ago we got retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that it had decelerated...
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is the white house going to accept anything but tax rates going up? >> well, they've never completely closed the door on that. >> it's like maybe just a crack, and i mean it's a small crack. >> yeah, and it's a very small crack and it might even be closing. they are very much about the high higher rates. the thing that i think the white house is having legitimate problems with in this new offer from john boehner is the lack of specificity. tony and i argued this a lot. he makes a great point. do we have to argue about rates versus base? is we can talk about base. and at this point republicans have done the same thing mitt romney was doing. $800 billion in new revenues from unspecified chose urs. the time for that is past. i'm glad they're coming with a counteroffer. they have to put specifics on the table. >> tony, under any circumstances, as you sit here right now, are republicans going to agree to let tax rates increa increase? >> look, i find that almost impossible for republicans to do, at least before december 31. i think everyone understands tha
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. >> the state and local property tax deduction would hit the blue states. other elements would affect republican voters in the red states. the home mortgage interest deduction generally affects small business owners, professionals, might call the small rich. on the spending side of the cuts in medicare, by raising the eligibility aim would fall heavily not only on democratic-leaning black and latinos but heavily on the white working class base of the republican party. >> well, michael, listen up, push back a little bit, i do get your point, the mortgage interest deduction enjoyed by all. say they reach a deal, you can
. >> the state and local property tax deduction would hit the blue states. other elements would affect republican voters in the red states. the home mortgage interest deduction generally affects small business owners, professionals, might call the small rich. on the spending side of the cuts in medicare, by raising the eligibility aim would fall heavily not only on democratic-leaning black and latinos but heavily on the white working class base of the republican party. >> well,...
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first go ahead and raise my taxes. you can't collect them until april 15 and i will be gone. i'll stop waiting for microsoft shares to hit $40. it is never going to happen and we can stop worrying about it and the markets will avoid crashing with the inevitable election of president kardashian. >> the policies coming out of that administration may be better than the ones right now. >> that was hash tag smooth on that political rant. >> personal hygiene. lindsay lohan bounce. >> you don't have to worry about personal hygiene. don't shower that morning. what is the difference. >> die smelly? >> you guys have a loincloth around the house? >> i hope guy does practice personal hygiene until the 20th. >> exactly. >> jane, good to see you. jane wells joining us from the west coast. next on fast is the smart phone revolution just getting started? the most closely watched is making a bold prediction and getting a lot of play on twitter. we have your tweets next. a passionate belief, and the foundation on which merrill lynch has been built. today, our financial advisors lead from a new
first go ahead and raise my taxes. you can't collect them until april 15 and i will be gone. i'll stop waiting for microsoft shares to hit $40. it is never going to happen and we can stop worrying about it and the markets will avoid crashing with the inevitable election of president kardashian. >> the policies coming out of that administration may be better than the ones right now. >> that was hash tag smooth on that political rant. >> personal hygiene. lindsay lohan bounce....
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tax. >> anyone want to weigh in on these? david, i see you smiling down there. >> i was waiting for judd to jump in. he is the one that convinced me. >> ultimately, i think have gotten more than they can handle. the revenue targets the needs to reach, the spending targets they need to reach now knocked enormous, but if you look down the road, in particular at health care spending, given the discussion we had before, we can do everything we want to try to control health-care spending, but another way to help control health care spending is earmarked a value-added tax toward revenue which would have an immediate link between how much was spent, how much people have to pay in taxes, it would eliminate their repressivity of that, and it would inoculate the deficit from uncertainty about health-care reform. health care reform will take a long time. it is more complicated than tax reform. we have had one major tax reform in the last 50 years, thanks to senator packwood and others. we cannot wait
tax. >> anyone want to weigh in on these? david, i see you smiling down there. >> i was waiting for judd to jump in. he is the one that convinced me. >> ultimately, i think have gotten more than they can handle. the revenue targets the needs to reach, the spending targets they need to reach now knocked enormous, but if you look down the road, in particular at health care spending, given the discussion we had before, we can do everything we want to try to control health-care...
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taxes? guest: i don't think so. i think keeping tax rate with a r is the real question. you can increase revenue without increasing tax rates. honestly, just a more efficient system redistributing investments toward things that generate economic growth. that is something that paul ryan has been a leading advocate of. yeah, i think this is a really smart and good proposal by the speaker, and i was very pleased to see every republican sign off on it. it was not just his name. i hope the white house understands there is unity at the republican leadership table. host: here is a copy of the letter sent to the white house with the signatures of the leadership team including paul ryan. a lot of our callers have talked about the lack of details in this proposal then back which loopholes or deductions do you get rid of? guest: there is an interesting debate and discussion on that. that is for the negotiators. the easiest way to do it would be to cap the dollar amount and let the individual pick and c
taxes? guest: i don't think so. i think keeping tax rate with a r is the real question. you can increase revenue without increasing tax rates. honestly, just a more efficient system redistributing investments toward things that generate economic growth. that is something that paul ryan has been a leading advocate of. yeah, i think this is a really smart and good proposal by the speaker, and i was very pleased to see every republican sign off on it. it was not just his name. i hope the white...
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see the deduction for state income taxes being a tax expendture. when i paid tax to the district of columbia, that is the cost, my cost, of earning that income, and it should be deductible i believe in computing me federal tax income little. it's not deductible. >> host: diane in new hampshire, go ahead. >> guest: good morning. >> host: morning. >> caller: fascinated to hear about the tax. it kills me every year. i'm a small business owner, and my income changes year to year. i can make $80,000 one year, and i can make $60,000 the next, and the next 45. i cannot process what the amt will be. looking at the last return here, made $60,000 and had an amt of $1700, a piggy back. talk about this because i don't consider making $80,000 as a single person and paying 13% of the social security out of and all my other cuts to be a lot of money. >> guest: no, i don't disagree with you at all. the amt is not what you would have designed as a tax -- a way to compute your federal income tax. it is the combination of a reform that was end acted after the need fo
see the deduction for state income taxes being a tax expendture. when i paid tax to the district of columbia, that is the cost, my cost, of earning that income, and it should be deductible i believe in computing me federal tax income little. it's not deductible. >> host: diane in new hampshire, go ahead. >> guest: good morning. >> host: morning. >> caller: fascinated to hear about the tax. it kills me every year. i'm a small business owner, and my income changes year to...
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new hampshire has no income tax, no sales tax. every state around new hampshire, the other new england states have one or the other going into the 1960's, 1970. every state around us added another one. they either added the sales tax or the income tax. with the representation to their people that the other tax would come down and revenue would be effectively used because it would be more effectively collected, especially if they used the sales tax. every one of those state, the revenues haven't gone down, they've gone up dramatically and the income tax has gone up. and the sales tax has gone up and the size of the government has gone up. so from my standpoint, a val added tax is just a way to grossly expand the size of the government. and it does not fix our revenue problems. more importantly than that, just put, where i think this argument ends up, the american people would annihilate any party that taxed -- that cast a national sales tack. the democrat party thinks they're in charge now, and they are. the republican party has do
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tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic performance of 2013 and come 2014, you can actually get a political change that might make a difference. stuart: we'll wait and see on that one. art laffer, always a pleasure. >> bye now. stuart: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately d
tax rates. it may be just tax rates higher for those making half a million a year, i think they'll retreat a little bit. >> i think, too, what i'd like to see the republicans do, i'd like to see them pass a bill extending tax cuts below $250,000 and everyone agrees those should be put through and then put through another bill that extends the tax cuts on those $250,000 and above and let the democrats take ownership because you know, they're going to be held responsible for the economic...
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tax liability. , in computing my federal income tax liability. it's not that, in computing my federal income tax liability. it's not that, in computing my federal income tax liability. it's not that >> host: here is diane and linda burrough, new hampshire. democratic caller, go ahead. >> caller: good morning. i'm fascinated to hear about the alternative minimum tax. it kills me every year. i am a small-business owner and the income fluctuates year-to-year. i could make maybe $80,000.1 year, $60,000 for next year. the next or i may make 45. every year i cannot possibly determine what the amt is going to be. a second mls return here. i made $60,000 i had amt $1700, a piggyback. could you please talk about this because i don't consider making $80,000 as a single person in pain or 10% of my social security and all other costs to be a lot of money. >> host: i don't disagree with you at all. the amt is not what you would have deliberately designed as a way to compute your federal income tax. it is the com
tax liability. , in computing my federal income tax liability. it's not that, in computing my federal income tax liability. it's not that, in computing my federal income tax liability. it's not that >> host: here is diane and linda burrough, new hampshire. democratic caller, go ahead. >> caller: good morning. i'm fascinated to hear about the alternative minimum tax. it kills me every year. i am a small-business owner and the income fluctuates year-to-year. i could make maybe...
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earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit fewer people. you know -- >> and therefore, produce less revenue. >> produce less revenue but at higher rates potentially than the president is talking about. i mean, you know, the thing is even though we feel like we are constantly hearing from bob rubin and larry somers and roger altman, a little bit of a bad penny -- >> you have heard this before. >> on the other hand, they were absolutely right. even bill krystal agrees with them. the economy boomed during the middle of the clinton two administrations when the high tax rate was at 39.6%. we had a huge expansion of p
earners will pay some minimum tax, automatically a minute tax. they have some additional taxes. they want to get rid of capital gains tax that benefitted mitt romney. it's a different arrangement but a more progressive tax. >> bill, interestingly their plan suggests that tax increases should start at $422,000 instead of $250,000 that the president has set. why would that make such a difference or not so much of a difference in circumstances? >> well, martin, it would obviously hit...
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tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got it. >> after the break, offer ver ses counteroffer. we will break both down with ezra klein when he joins us next on "now." i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our env
tax the rich first. obama, if he got his taxes on the rich, is still $8 trillion short over the next decade. that's where the energy taxes he's going to present and the value added tax that ultimately turns us into a european welfare state only of that can pay for obama's sized government. >> wow. grover, unfortunately we have to leave it there. our discussion of unicorns will continue, i'm sure, at least up until december 31st. thank you for joining us today as always. >> you got...
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the payroll tax cut will expire. if you're a working person, you're losing $40 to $50 a week immediately in your first paycheck. the unemployment benefits will expire. if you're dependent on that, your income will fall off the cliff. if you're someone who listens on dividends and financial gains, the fact that tax on those will rise will not put a crimp in your lifestyle and you may not be taking any capital gains until june, july, august, september. those who are most vulnerable are those on the lower income ladder and who are benefiting from the benefits that will expire, they will feel like they're going over a cliff. >> eliot: brian, let me turn to you, politically am i not correct? the pieces of the tax impact that dan was just talking about that would have the greatest impact are the pieces that are the least likely to be extended under any deal. the payroll tax there seemed to be a consensus that there would not be an extension of the payroll tax cut because that is so necessary to funding social security. tha
the payroll tax cut will expire. if you're a working person, you're losing $40 to $50 a week immediately in your first paycheck. the unemployment benefits will expire. if you're dependent on that, your income will fall off the cliff. if you're someone who listens on dividends and financial gains, the fact that tax on those will rise will not put a crimp in your lifestyle and you may not be taking any capital gains until june, july, august, september. those who are most vulnerable are those on...
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then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the matter is that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week to figure out -- last week on the media there's a lot of reporting that saxby chambliss stood up to grover or broke with him. here is what he said. let's look at that first. >> i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> do you think that grover norquist would hold a no new tax pledge that you signed 20 years ago, would he hold that against you in an upcoming re-election bid for the u.s. senate? >> well, you know, in all likelihood, yes, but i don't worry about that because i care too much about my country. i care a lot more about it than i do about grover norquist. >> well, "the washington post" reports today that five days after making those comments on television -- on radio rather, chambliss and norquist spoke on the phone. as norquist read allowed a transcript of chambliss' e
then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the matter is that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week to figure out -- last week on the media there's a lot of reporting that saxby chambliss stood up to grover or broke with him. here is what he said. let's look at that first. >> i care more about this country than i do about a...
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he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduction in our rate structure, a creative tax cut creating more jobs and income and eventually more revenue. it will include an across the the board top to bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. the billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumer, and our businessmen, will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. every dollar released from taxation that is spent or invested will help create a new job and a new salary and these new jobs and new salaries can create other jobs and other salaries. >> right. that is the message that president obama needs to hear. unfortunately, there's growing evidence to indicate that he's not interested in striking any deal at all. now
he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduction in our rate structure, a creative tax cut creating more jobs and income and eventually more revenue. it will include an across the the board top to bottom cut in both...
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, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof over their heads. that's the choice in this election. that's one of the reasons i'm running for a second term as president. >> how quickly we forget. in the words of secretary timothy geithner, this is why republicans have no choice but accepting the tax increases on the wealthiest americans. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because a small group of republicans want to extend for 2% of americans? why does that make any sense. there's no reason why that should happen. we ca
, more tax revenue? the president responded, high-end tax cuts do the least for economic growth and cost almost $ 1 trillion. extending middle class cuts boosts consumer demand and growth. the white house released a video today showing how president obama has been consistent on his message throughout the last couple of years. it was central to his campaign. >> we need to give tax relief to working families trying to raise their kids to keep them healthy, send them to college, keep a roof...
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let's make the income tax, the corporate tax, the capital gains tax, the gift tax, the estate tax, let's just make them all 15% across the board. i'll never have a problem with estate tax. but it is outrageous to make people sell their family farm or sell a business or get in hoc up to their ears for something their parents have worked a lifetime to build up. and people like warren buffett, the ultrarich, they're not going to have to worry about the estate tax because they're able to pay megabucks for lawyers and brilliant financial analysts to come up with a way, usually involving life insurance and different things, they'll take care of their estate tax. so it's not the megarich. and the same way, when people say, we're going after the rich fat cats, england did that in 2009. an article last week pointed out, 2009, england increased to 50%, in addition to all the other taxes they have, 50% the tax against people making $1 -- a million pounds or more and that next year england went from having 16,000 people who were making a million pounds or more a year to 6,000. they dropped from 16,0
let's make the income tax, the corporate tax, the capital gains tax, the gift tax, the estate tax, let's just make them all 15% across the board. i'll never have a problem with estate tax. but it is outrageous to make people sell their family farm or sell a business or get in hoc up to their ears for something their parents have worked a lifetime to build up. and people like warren buffett, the ultrarich, they're not going to have to worry about the estate tax because they're able to pay...
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taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't raise rates. but let's close out loopholes and get rid of deductions. all you should care about is how much revenue you are getting. why do you care fit' a rate or deduction. increase the revenue. president obama says no i need rates to go up on the rich. now he's saying rates have to go up. they have to go up on the rich. but then we can talk about lower them again next year. we'll chat. we'll have more time then we can discuss the loopholes abductional earn tough deductions to rates. >> we are 400 day
taxed. the basic understanding night can taxpayer now, they earned the right to be this cynical, is that whatever is said during these kinds of negotiations, in the end everybody pays. megyn: we have seen so much jockeying in washington back and forth between the white house and house republicans. eve one offers a deal the other side says is totally unacceptable and a non-starter. president obama just sat down for an interview with bloomberg and says the tax rates -- the republicans say don't...
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no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern republican party. the right wing went crazy. and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted th
no new taxes. >> read my lips, no new taxes. george h.w. bush hammered that mantra to win the white house in 1988. but just two years later, the reagan deficits were skyrocketing and president bush was forced to change his most famous line. >> long and bitter battle over the budget officially ended last night. president bush put his signature on the deficit reduction package, including $140 billion in tax increases. >> tax increases. that was a turning point for the modern...
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this is the tax revenue, this would be the new taxes. this would be done by closing loopholes, limiting deductions, not, obviously, by increasing income tax rates for the wealthy. $600 billion in health savings. that's the entitlement reform. that's medicare cuts. cuts to other entitlements. compare this to the white house, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, so that's two times the amount in speaker boehner's counteroffer. and $400 billion in cuts to medicare and entitlements. so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly could have more things in it that they don't like. so maybe it's not, as far as a
this is the tax revenue, this would be the new taxes. this would be done by closing loopholes, limiting deductions, not, obviously, by increasing income tax rates for the wealthy. $600 billion in health savings. that's the entitlement reform. that's medicare cuts. cuts to other entitlements. compare this to the white house, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, so that's two times the amount in speaker boehner's counteroffer. and $400 billion in cuts to medicare and entitlements. so that's $200 billion...
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he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan pfeiffer said. it promises to lower rates for the wealthy and stickhe middle-claas with the bill. we could do it pinocchio test. is that true or false? >> completely false. they want to keeall the race the same. now lower than for anybody. and maintaining the status quo on rates. the deductns are actually targeted for upper-ince people. the dmocrats, the white house, some left wing groups that on behalff the white house imagined how they would design the republican plan and then they attack it. dishonest during the ampaign, and the president is still running a political capaign. he's been all o
he raised taxes on the democrats promised him $2 in spending cuts for every dollar in new taxes. george bush is still waitin for those $2 in spending cuts. now the present is saying to live in give you two and a half to one. it's time the democrats and the president stepped up and cut spding. gerri: to that point. want you to respond to what the white house had to say in response to the republicans offer and then go to michael's point about what you will actually get latr. here is what dan...
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higher taxes hurt economic growth. people say it doesn't hurt it and they are saying of all the possible answers i will pick the extreme one, which is zero. what is most iportant? millions are out of work, we have incomes that have not grown but they have fallen. i would think growth is the priority. >>neil: is that going do mean more dividends next year to make up for the tax hit they will face? will they still cash out with the dividends? isn't that going do lead to a market tank? >>guest: one of the things, what we are seeing right now is the first evidence that companies' investors know the fiscal cliff is coming and when we get closer that is when the market will tank. >>neil: take your money and run. >>guest: for political pumps folks are willing to go over. that is dangerous much next year if we go over the cliff, all bets are off and we are in a recession. >>neil: you are not competent? >>guest: i don't like the way this is going. this is not two parties sitting down and saying we have a serious national proble
higher taxes hurt economic growth. people say it doesn't hurt it and they are saying of all the possible answers i will pick the extreme one, which is zero. what is most iportant? millions are out of work, we have incomes that have not grown but they have fallen. i would think growth is the priority. >>neil: is that going do mean more dividends next year to make up for the tax hit they will face? will they still cash out with the dividends? isn't that going do lead to a market tank?...
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you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on the economic fortunes of this country. and if you take the vast majority of small businessmen who will be hit with an increased tax rate, you're going to markedly decrease the job creation and capital formation in this country. >> let me ask you another question, one of the things we talked about on both sides, i think it's fair to say is the lack of details. and second geithner was out trying to defend some of the details in his plan over the weekend. this letter also has very few details. i'm curious to know exactly what loopholes, what deductions would you kill
you said, i'm all for the wealthy paying more taxes. so i'm curious, since you've said that, why the reduck tans to just raise the tax rate on the wealthy? >> it destroys growth of the very people who are going to create additional revenues in the future. >> why say you would be all for it? >> i didn't ever say -- not one timedy say i was for raising tax rates on the wealthy. i said i was for increasing the taxes that the wealthy paid. how you do it will have a major impact on...
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the actions reward investors with an extra check before tax rates likely increase in 2013. late today oracle accelerated cashaymes from nt year's second, third, and fourth quarters. hospital operator h.c.a. satellite t.v. company dish network, and women's clothing retailer cato announced special dividends. more than 200 companies have made similar moves in the last month. suzanne pratt reports on whether special dividends are the best use of corporate cash. >> reporter: $1.7 trillion. that's the cash u.s. companies have on their balance sheets. all that hoarding is a sign of the times: nervous companies stockpiling for an economic downturn or whatever else might happen. still, n.y.u. professor april klein says companies are over doing it. >> i know they say you can never be too rich or too thin, but companies can in fact be too rich. and, sometimes you do want to shrink out the cash. >> reporter: that's because too much cash can make a company a takeover target. and, with interest rates so low, all that money is just not productive. special dividends are one option for corp
the actions reward investors with an extra check before tax rates likely increase in 2013. late today oracle accelerated cashaymes from nt year's second, third, and fourth quarters. hospital operator h.c.a. satellite t.v. company dish network, and women's clothing retailer cato announced special dividends. more than 200 companies have made similar moves in the last month. suzanne pratt reports on whether special dividends are the best use of corporate cash. >> reporter: $1.7 trillion....
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taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of congress' plate. something which members of congress seem to think at least is a no starter. what is the value in putting that out there? >> well again it needs to be said. this is crazy. the way that the debt ceiling works is that congress can actually vote to not tax enough to pay for the spending it proposes and then it can refuse to allow the government to borrow the money to make up the difference between its own spending bills and its own tax bills. this is crazy. this is a license for continual irresponsibility. and of course we're heading for... the republicans are attempting to d
taxes will go up. democrats proposes a bill that cuts taxes on the middle class. the republicans don't dare vote it down. we'll have gotten the higher taxes on the wealthy through this back door route. tim geithner is right. you cannot have a seer imrus plan unless those tax rates on the wealthy go up. >> ifill: the president is... hassles proposedded something that john boehner calls silliness or secretary geithner actually did which is taking thed why of the debt ceiling off of...
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we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple ways this could go. one is to land in the middle. you have $800 billion and $1.6 trillion. the other is for one side to say no deal. we'll let you go over the fiscal cliff and we'll see what happens. >> reporter: at the last minute i think there will be a deal. i think republicans will retreat and say okay, you can have higher tax rates but only on people making a half million dollars a year. the president will say, okay, but we'll only discuss -- we'l
we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely...
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tax reform. it would be in the tax reform process that there would generate -- and they would generate $800 million -- $800 billion in revenue. and they say the $800 billion could be raised without raising tax rates, and this is something that is in dispute with the white house. the white house said there would be no deal unless republicans agreed to increase tax rates on the wall the next year. >> what do the republicans say about the debt limit, sequestration, automatic spending cuts, and changes to entitlement programs? >> that was not addressed. the white house offered to make permanent the changes. republicans are not proposing to raise the debt limit at all. but if you ask their aides, they told us that the speaker would be open to increasing the debt limit, but he is sticking by his role that any increase must be accompanied by cuts and/or reforms. it could be on the table. entitlements, they are not laying out this was a big changes to medicare and medicaid. what they are saying is they w
tax reform. it would be in the tax reform process that there would generate -- and they would generate $800 million -- $800 billion in revenue. and they say the $800 billion could be raised without raising tax rates, and this is something that is in dispute with the white house. the white house said there would be no deal unless republicans agreed to increase tax rates on the wall the next year. >> what do the republicans say about the debt limit, sequestration, automatic spending cuts,...
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that's just a fact, david. >> people would prefer it be done through tax reform, through tax loopholes, but also let me -- >> do you explain to them that by tax loopholes you're not going to get enough revenue to do what needs to be done? >> you are going to get to the 800 billion the speaker said you were going to get to. >> no, i don't think that's right, david. >> we have, again, our economists say we can get to that 800 billion. you have an economist says that you can't get to the 1.6 trillion that the president is trying to ask for. >> and republican math said that mitt romney was going to be president. >> now, that's a different dynamic. look, if you talk to other republicans, there were some other republicans that perhaps didn't have that level of confidence there but, again, i want to go back to this point. >> real quickly, david. we're out of time here. >> the fact is, the president and tim geithner have willfully taken a position that, in fact, in terms of generating revenue that there's only one way to generate revenue and that's through raising taxes and the president has b
that's just a fact, david. >> people would prefer it be done through tax reform, through tax loopholes, but also let me -- >> do you explain to them that by tax loopholes you're not going to get enough revenue to do what needs to be done? >> you are going to get to the 800 billion the speaker said you were going to get to. >> no, i don't think that's right, david. >> we have, again, our economists say we can get to that 800 billion. you have an economist says that...
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tax, a 10% tanning tax. all of these things come together. this is not just something that will affect the quote, unquote, wealthy top two income tax brackets. it will affect all americans. that's what we're talking about. >> greta: do you think the president sent his proposal up through secretary treasurer geithner that he made his deliberately quite far-reaching. he wants additional stimulus money, money in his proposal. >> 50 billion more. >> greta: i'm sure that that probably sent a chill up the spine of most house republicans. do you think that he deliberately did that almost as a negotiating tactic? he put the worst case scenario on the table so they would say i don't want that so they can get something else? >> i don't understand the mind of the president when it comes to this. 1.6 trillion in new taxes. it does nothing for the debt. as a matter of fact, one of the things he asks for, he wants complete authority to raise the debt limit. >> greta: do you think he was serious about the 16 trillion? >> h
tax, a 10% tanning tax. all of these things come together. this is not just something that will affect the quote, unquote, wealthy top two income tax brackets. it will affect all americans. that's what we're talking about. >> greta: do you think the president sent his proposal up through secretary treasurer geithner that he made his deliberately quite far-reaching. he wants additional stimulus money, money in his proposal. >> 50 billion more. >> greta: i'm sure that that...
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at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around the economic cloud hanging over the country. mortgage rates are expected to stay low through 2014. home affordability is as good as it it's been in generations. that's going to attract buyers who spent the last few years waiting for prices to bottom out. that's going to help millions of homeowners who currently owe more on their homes than the home is worth. the home prices rising, confidence will return. and longer term prospects also have some real hope in america. we're in the midst of a domestic energy boom that will fuel growth for y
at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around...
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the republican plan would raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason you initiate the bowles' plan is you say, look, they are going along with t
the republican plan would raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax...
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everybody's taxes go up. sequestration takes place, cut a tree in two in spending and he'll come back and cut taxes for some people and try and claim himself to be the hero. if you do that you're going to have negative gdp for the next quarters of next year and return to recessionary times. >> so nothing can get ton, though, the house could pass that -- could simply pass the making the middle class tax rates permanent? >> they could. the only way to avert things? >> i'm not in favor of patchwork solutions to a macro problem. whether it's capping deductions or raising rates, entitlements are an issue and we got the deal with entitlements, two-thirds of all federal spending and discretionary spending is part of the problem. all three have to be addressed in a macro plan or you're not going to solve the problem. >> i want to ask you a quick question on susan rice. do you believe the benghazi incident disqualifies her to be secretary of state? >> it will prevent her being confirmed until the white house comes for
everybody's taxes go up. sequestration takes place, cut a tree in two in spending and he'll come back and cut taxes for some people and try and claim himself to be the hero. if you do that you're going to have negative gdp for the next quarters of next year and return to recessionary times. >> so nothing can get ton, though, the house could pass that -- could simply pass the making the middle class tax rates permanent? >> they could. the only way to avert things? >> i'm not in...
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he said, let's lower tax rates, but expand the tax base. you put that on the table for the president. that is at least the second time. host: and what the polls would be taken out? guest: it depends on the process that they go trooper -- they go through the biggest loopholes are by far the exclusion for health insurance. if you are going to design a system from scratch, intertwined the health insurance system with the tax system. we cannot change it overnight and expect it not to collapse. we would need to create some kind of credit for individual health insurance. we should not be taxing savings. you can exempt savings or exempt the yield you get from savings. we would not close that again for raising revenue. it comes down to the political process as to how you are going to get rates lower. but again, the offer is out there from speaker pena. the president has not taken them upon -- speaker dana. the president has not taken empirin. but treasury secretary geithner was on abc this week. let's take a look. [video clip] >> i think we are mak
he said, let's lower tax rates, but expand the tax base. you put that on the table for the president. that is at least the second time. host: and what the polls would be taken out? guest: it depends on the process that they go trooper -- they go through the biggest loopholes are by far the exclusion for health insurance. if you are going to design a system from scratch, intertwined the health insurance system with the tax system. we cannot change it overnight and expect it not to collapse. we...
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they also pay a high rate of tax but nowhere near as high as the u.k. we've got the netherlands that pays around forty eight percent tax germany pays around forty percent average families that pay in tax now we spoke to a few londoners down the street and i asked them about how they feel about how much tax they pay let's take a listen i'm not looking for us person these players such as think it should be fair across the board people should pay proportionately. from it really. feels like it's all going to the fact that for the. communities it's just. so as you can see you know a lot of people just extremely frustrated that they aren't getting any of their local services back it's demoralizing figure and as the government had promised to recognize marriage to provide some of these tax breaks they haven't done that yet and in the run up to christmas with prices on the rise food prices fuel prices just the price of heating a family's home this is very very bad news and a lot of people feeling extremely frustrated about it. washington is reportedly planning
they also pay a high rate of tax but nowhere near as high as the u.k. we've got the netherlands that pays around forty eight percent tax germany pays around forty percent average families that pay in tax now we spoke to a few londoners down the street and i asked them about how they feel about how much tax they pay let's take a listen i'm not looking for us person these players such as think it should be fair across the board people should pay proportionately. from it really. feels like it's...
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tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near seven week high against the green back after greece announced its debt buy back terms. euro rose to a $1131. that's high historically. action in the metals. silver, platinum, all sinking more than 1%. silver was today's biggest loser dropping nearly p 3% to settle at $32.81 an ounce. david: markets hopping, but the next trader says investor participation is shifting. in chicago, larry, the key question here is what happens when the market gets off its hind legs and moves? move up or down? >> it all depen
tax dead? we'll see. forbes doesn't think so. there's a news conference along with washington lawmakers to push for the flat tax. he joins us later this hour. liz: first, what drove the marketings for today's data download. stocks ending lower, struggling for direction most of the day, unable to hold gains trading lower. i think it was 79 times. health care and industrials were today's top performing sectors and telecomo lagged. the euro extending the gains versus the dollar, rallying to a near...
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but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer and this would force congress to give up its debt limit vote which is a nonstarter for house republicans. the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, zoraida, that one house democratic aid telling cnn that it passed the laugh test. so certainly i guess it could have been worse in some estimations by democrats. >> i suspect some people were laughing. brianna keilar live at the white house for us, thank you. in the next
but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other...
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taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. we can't even get the republicans to agree to that. >> we're out of time guys, nice to talk to you as always. i appreciate it. >>> next,
taxes and spending. what is an agreement that both sides can say yes, we each gave a little? >> the republicans must agree to higher tax rates on well off americans. all the way to the 39.6 that the president, they have to. that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people...